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by Jake D » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:31 pm
I felt left out with the guitar gear talk thread. I know these have existed but whatever, let's get it going.
What are you playing through currently?
StingRay -> ProCo Rat or EHX Bass Blogger -> Sunn Coliseum -> Ampeg 8x10
I'm probably getting rid of the StingRay for an American Jazz this week though.
I got a Peavey T-40 I'm trying to sell as well if anyone is interested.
Talk to me B9!
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by dmsummers » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:33 pm
i just bid on a sunn coliseum head, didnt win

how much you pay for yours?
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by kwame » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:34 pm
GIVE ME THAT T-40
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by Scott K » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:34 pm
Lundgren/Crucifixion wrote:I felt left out with the guitar gear talk thread. I know these have existed but whatever, let's get it going.
What are you playing through currently?
StingRay -> ProCo Rat or EHX Bass Blogger -> Sunn Coliseum -> Ampeg 8x10
I'm probably getting rid of the StingRay for an American Jazz this week though.
I got a Peavey T-40 I'm trying to sell as well if anyone is interested.
Talk to me B9!
We talk about bass gear there, too. Feel free to join in.
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by Ciabatta » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:36 pm
I'm playing a 1980 Gibson G3 bass into a Gallien-Krueger 800RB head. I play an Ampeg 4x10 cab. And I was a rat pedal. Thats it. Hopefully if I get this job coming up I'll indulge on an Emperor 6x12 cab.
I also have an old Sunn Concert bass head with the black face that needs to be fixed. It catches on fire as soonas you turn it on. Not good.
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by Ciabatta » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:37 pm
dmsummers wrote:i just bid on a sunn coliseum head, didnt win

how much you pay for yours?
the one that was on ebay? dude they'll be another one soon. fuck paying $400 + for that head.
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by Jake D » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:38 pm
Scott K wrote:Lundgren/Crucifixion wrote:I felt left out with the guitar gear talk thread. I know these have existed but whatever, let's get it going.
What are you playing through currently?
StingRay -> ProCo Rat or EHX Bass Blogger -> Sunn Coliseum -> Ampeg 8x10
I'm probably getting rid of the StingRay for an American Jazz this week though.
I got a Peavey T-40 I'm trying to sell as well if anyone is interested.
Talk to me B9!
We talk about bass gear there, too. Feel free to join in.
I will, but this makes me feel cooler, ya know?
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by deathfromstatic » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:39 pm
MIM Deluxe Jazz Bass>Sennheiser Wireless>Sans Amp Bass Driver>BBE-Sonic Stomp>Ampeg SVT3-Pro>Ampeg 6x10 i also have an ampeg v4-B im trying to get my cab rewired to 4x10 and a 2x10 to run both heads at once.
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by dmsummers » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:41 pm
anyone ever hear about or play the little mark II bass head? iv heard nothing but good things about them just have not had the chance to play one.
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by Jake D » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:41 pm
As for my Coliseum, it's not mine. It's my wonderful friends, who I have told numerous times he can not have it back. I've also spent upwards of 350 to get it fixed.
My favorite head.
Kwame - buy it, $350.
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by ianxxx » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:43 pm
jake! when you gonna sell me that 8x10! we talked about this in wilmington haha, im sick of my shit cab
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by deathfromstatic » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:44 pm
dmsummers wrote:anyone ever hear about or play the little mark II bass head? iv heard nothing but good things about them just have not had the chance to play one.
theyre so small and light i almost got one but i got the svt 3pro
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by seminar i & ii » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:45 pm

jake, same rig i've been using for 4 years since i have no reason or band to update it for:
fender american jazz into boss pedalboard (tuner, compression/sustain, bass overdrive x2, DD6 delay, bass synth that i never use) into hartke HA4000 head rackmounted w/alesis power strip into hartke vx410 & peavey 1x15. got a mexican jazz and an epip thunderbird on the side, neither see much use.
hopefully i'll have a reason to change up my gear soon
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by kwame » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:45 pm
Jake - If you read the Guitar Gear Thread, you'd know they go for even less than that. So I sadly cannot pay that much for it, especially since I don't even need it.
I'm looking into a YBA-1 right now, and trying to find some nice, loud and large speakers.
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by xshawnxearthx » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:46 pm
so jake, why you getting rid of the ray?
realizing they only do one thing(and don't do it that well mind you)?
one day i will get my hands on an american jazz bass with a p neck.
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by Jake D » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:47 pm
kwame wrote:Jake - If you read the Guitar Gear Thread, you'd know they go for even less than that. So I sadly cannot pay that much for it, especially since I don't even need it.
I'm looking into a YBA-1 right now, and trying to find some nice, loud and large speakers.
FUCK YOU I PAID LIKE 400 FOR IT, ITS MINT I HATE YOU ITS PERFECT BUY IT
Ian - As soon as I get my 2 2x12's or 2x15 we'll figure something out.
Brian - Sell me that Mexi Jazz. I'm gonna want a back up.
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by kwame » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:49 pm
seminar i & ii wrote:hopefully i'll have a reason to change up my gear soon
find a band up to your arcane standards already
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by neverapartofit » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:49 pm
I run a Fender American jazz ('98) through an Acoustic 150b or Ampeg SVT-CL through an Ampeg 8x10. It sounds great, but there are many times when I wish I had a 2x12 for more portability.
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by ianxxx » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:51 pm
Lundgren/Crucifixion wrote:Ian - As soon as I get my 2 2x12's or 2x15 we'll figure something out.
HURRY THE FUCK UP MAN YOU SAW WHAT IM USING, THAT FRANKENSTEIN BULLSHIT CAB! CAPS LOCK JUST CAUSE
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by xshawnxearthx » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:51 pm
caseyg1986 wrote:I run a Fender American jazz ('98) through an Acoustic 150b or Ampeg SVT-CL through an Ampeg 8x10. It sounds great, but there are many times when I wish I had a 2x12 for more portability.
is it an old usa acoustic or one of those new ones?
03 mia sunburst p>boss pedal tuner>sans amp>ampeg svt 4 pro>610hlf
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by Jake D » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:53 pm
I'll try!
Anyone try any of the new Acoustic stuff yet? They have that 200 watt head out now, with the matching 4x10 and 1x15 - I know it's Chinese or whatever, but it's cheap as fuck and I've heard good things.
Also, by November they're releasing an 8x10 and a 600watt@2ohm(!!!!!) head... I might have to jump on that shit.
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by Ciabatta » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:53 pm
I want one of these so bad.
who's played them before? reviews? what speakers should i get in them?
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by xshawnxearthx » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:54 pm
Lundgren/Crucifixion wrote:I'll try!
Anyone try any of the new Acoustic stuff yet? They have that 200 watt head out now, with the matching 4x10 and 1x15 - I know it's Chinese or whatever, but it's cheap as fuck and I've heard good things.
Also, by November they're releasing an 8x10 and a 600watt@2ohm(!!!!!) head... I might have to jump on that shit.
new acoustic stuff=not so good. if you can find a vintage one, they are awesome.
i played a few over at guitar center was was not impressed.
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by Tremors » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:54 pm
Fender Mexican Jazz Bass
Fender Mexican P-Bass
Ampeg 4x10
Ampeg B2
Boss ODB3
Looking to upgrade my head to an SVT-CL or Orange AD200/Mk3 one day. Also in the works to getting a 1x15 Emperor cab to add onto my Ampeg 4x10, maybe even just getting an Emperor 4x10 later on. I would also like to get my hands on a SansAmp.
I need more $$$$
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by Jake D » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:54 pm
Also - Shawn, I really like the Sting actually, but I have no pad on that old Sunn head so it clips like crazy, just too much going through that dinosaur. I love both of them, just not together. The Jazz I'm looking at I plugged in yesterday and without a set up or string change in over a year or 2 it sounds infinitely better.
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by gourmetpez » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:55 pm
mim fender jazz->boss pedal tuner->sansamp or big muff(depending on what band i'm playing in)->GK backline 350(trying to upgrade that soon but i'm real tight on cash)->ampeg 610hlf
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by kwame » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:55 pm
This thread's my new personal jesus
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by tysonluneau » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:58 pm
Stingray rip-off (pretty decent)
Gallien-Kruger 1001-rb II
Genz Benx X2 Ext. 4x10 cab
within the next week, I will be replacing the cab with an Ampeg 4x10, and adding a Sans Amp DI pedal
looking at a new bass sometime in the future, Aerodyne Jazz is what I'm thinking. Anyone have any experience with these?
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by seminar i & ii » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:00 pm
kwame wrote:seminar i & ii wrote:hopefully i'll have a reason to change up my gear soon
find a band up to your arcane standards already
at this point it's just gonna have to become a solo project in order for it to be exactly how i want it
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by xshawnxearthx » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:02 pm
Lundgren/Crucifixion wrote:Also - Shawn, I really like the Sting actually, but I have no pad on that old Sunn head so it clips like crazy, just too much going through that dinosaur. I love both of them, just not together. The Jazz I'm looking at I plugged in yesterday and without a set up or string change in over a year or 2 it sounds infinitely better.
i don't miss my ray. but we like completely different tones. i loved the ray when i played softly and by myself, hated the way it sounded in the mix. but you are right, without the -15db pad, you are going to do that with most heads in that wattage area.
the jazz bass is honestly the most versatile bass out there. i love my p's but the jazz does more since it has two pups. if they made one how i want it, i would own one. don't feel like shelling out custom shop cash, or making my own.
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by kwame » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:02 pm
seminar i & ii wrote:kwame wrote:seminar i & ii wrote:hopefully i'll have a reason to change up my gear soon
find a band up to your arcane standards already
at this point it's just gonna have to become a solo project in order for it to be exactly how i want it
start composing for a bass symphony and enlist the b9
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by xshawnxearthx » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:04 pm
kwame wrote:This thread's my new..... personal ......jesus
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by Ciabatta » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:04 pm
tysonluneau wrote:Stingray rip-off (pretty decent)
Gallien-Kruger 1001-rb II
Genz Benx X2 Ext. 4x10 cab
within the next week, I will be replacing the cab with an Ampeg 4x10, and adding a Sans Amp DI pedal
looking at a new bass sometime in the future, Aerodyne Jazz is what I'm thinking. Anyone have any experience with these?
Aerodyne's are solid. I use to play one. It was alright. Real light but the edges might make it uncomfortable when playing. I dont like the paint job of them though. Shows all your finger prints. I prefer the ones that are sold only in japan that have a pickguard. Like this one.

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by xshawnxearthx » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:05 pm
Ciabatta wrote:tysonluneau wrote:Stingray rip-off (pretty decent)
Gallien-Kruger 1001-rb II
Genz Benx X2 Ext. 4x10 cab
within the next week, I will be replacing the cab with an Ampeg 4x10, and adding a Sans Amp DI pedal
looking at a new bass sometime in the future, Aerodyne Jazz is what I'm thinking. Anyone have any experience with these?
Aerodyne's are solid. I use to play one. It was alright. Real light but the edges might make it uncomfortable when playing. I dont like the paint job of them though. Shows all your finger prints. I prefer the ones that are sold only in japan that have a pickguard. Like this one.

yeah i'm not a big fan of bodies that do not have rounded edges.
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by southshoreconor » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:07 pm
tysonluneau wrote:looking at a new bass sometime in the future, Aerodyne Jazz is what I'm thinking. Anyone have any experience with these?
they're not bad. fender makes/has made way nicer p/j basses though. i'd dig around for like a 2000 hot rodded P, or if you like the jazz body the reggie hamilton signature looks pretty sweet.
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by tysonluneau » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:08 pm
Ciabatta wrote:tysonluneau wrote:Stingray rip-off (pretty decent)
Gallien-Kruger 1001-rb II
Genz Benx X2 Ext. 4x10 cab
within the next week, I will be replacing the cab with an Ampeg 4x10, and adding a Sans Amp DI pedal
looking at a new bass sometime in the future, Aerodyne Jazz is what I'm thinking. Anyone have any experience with these?
Aerodyne's are solid. I use to play one. It was alright. Real light but the edges might make it uncomfortable when playing. I dont like the paint job of them though. Shows all your finger prints. I prefer the ones that are sold only in japan that have a pickguard. Like this one.

that bass looks awesome. I'm looking at a few basses, this was one that was stuck out. I'm looking for something in the same price range, lightweight, plays well, and durable. Any other recs?
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by deathfromstatic » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:10 pm
i want to get the sans amp rbi, and BE rack unit, my head case is so heavy cause i have a drawer in it.
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by xshawnxearthx » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:11 pm
the old school p-bass lyte's sounded great too. same type of set up, just a small p-style body.
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by tysonluneau » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:12 pm
I used to have a MIM p-bass, not into it. Neck feels awkward, would much rather play a jazz
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by southshoreconor » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:13 pm
my set up:
Fender Jazz (MIA, 2006)
Fender Precision (1978)
Peavey T-40 (MIA, 1984)
Mesa 400+
Ampeg 8x10
my ultimate goal would be to buy a lower wattage guitar or bass head (jcm800, ampeg v4 etc) to run really dirty through my other 8x10. my band also would need a bigger trailer. but for now this does just about everything i need it to.
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by xshawnxearthx » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:14 pm
then it should be an easy decision. get a used made in america jazz bass.
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by Jake D » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:14 pm
After a set up/test run this weekend, if all goes according to plan, this will be mine -
I mean, it's sitting next to me, but, whatever.
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by DrewBlood » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:16 pm
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by Ciabatta » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:16 pm
P bass > Jazz bass imo.
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by ianxxx » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:17 pm
xshawnxearthx wrote:Lundgren/Crucifixion wrote:Also - Shawn, I really like the Sting actually, but I have no pad on that old Sunn head so it clips like crazy, just too much going through that dinosaur. I love both of them, just not together. The Jazz I'm looking at I plugged in yesterday and without a set up or string change in over a year or 2 it sounds infinitely better.
i don't miss my ray. but we like completely different tones. i loved the ray when i played softly and by myself, hated the way it sounded in the mix. but you are right, without the -15db pad, you are going to do that with most heads in that wattage area.
the jazz bass is honestly the most versatile bass out there. i love my p's but the jazz does more since it has two pups. if they made one how i want it, i would own one. don't feel like shelling out custom shop cash, or making my own.
musicman + 1001rb-II=
using the -15db, i turn my master all the way up, boost a little more than half way, and use the woofer as the volume control....gets an awesome dirty tone. sounds a lot better through a good cab, but mine does the job, still gets loud as shit.
once i get a good cab ill honestly be set for awhile. gonna pick up a few pedals to mess around with, try new stuff.
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by xshawnxearthx » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:21 pm
Lundgren/Crucifixion wrote:After a set up/test run this weekend, if all goes according to plan, this will be mine -

I mean, it's sitting next to me, but, whatever.
purdy. that things needs a set up, the intonation HAS TO BE WAY OFF by looking at that bridge.
Ciabatta wrote:P bass > Jazz bass imo.
agreed 100%, kind of why i own 2.

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by xjawbreakerx » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:27 pm
1983 MIA Fender Precision (white pickups... I don't know why)
2007 MIM Fender Precision
SansAmp Bass Driver
Ampeg SVT350
Ampeg 1x15 / some no name 4x10 cab that I got for free
My MIM Pbass is the cheapest one Fender makes but it's so durable and sounds great, I've been using it all the time lately. Looking to get an Ampeg 8x10 eventually. Maybe upgrading to a different head, but need some suggestions... I have no idea
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by thighs_wide_shut » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:29 pm
1973 rickenbacker 4001>ampeg b2>ampeg 8x10
hopefully im gonna get a sansamp di soon
wish i would have gone with a 4x10 or 6x10 for easier transportation...
the guy who sold me the rickenbacker sanded down the edges for playing comfort and painted it slime green with some skeletons and zombies and shit, ill post a pic some other time. its also got new schaller tuners, new bridge and a new bartolini pickup at the neck, the other is the original. its kinda a frankenstein bass but shes my baby

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by gourmetpez » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:29 pm
maple necks > rosewood necks
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