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Postby refill » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:03 pm

Which position do you think Karl Marx would play in football?

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Postby dogdicksummer3 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:49 am

this is a friend. she's getting death and rape threats over being against coffee with a cop. fired and her mom is closing the business.

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Postby guttertech » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:44 am

Anyone have recommendations for writers critical of technology/technological progress who aren't anarcho-prims? I'm reading some Virilio stuff right now but I don't like how almost hysterically alarmist he is and his style is kind of scattershot. I like Ellul's The Technological Society and have Baudrillard on the to-read list.
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Postby dogdicksummer3 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:17 am

guttertech wrote:Anyone have recommendations for writers critical of technology/technological progress who aren't anarcho-prims? I'm reading some Virilio stuff right now but I don't like how almost hysterically alarmist he is and his style is kind of scattershot. I like Ellul's The Technological Society and have Baudrillard on the to-read list.

I was recommended Ellul and enjoyed it. For overviews of technology:

Technopoly by Richard Postman
To Save Everything, Click Here by Evgeny Morozov.

The latter is extremely sassy and makes jokes about the industry and its leaders but is great at undermining technological solutionism, as he calls it. It's far too long, just find some articles of his and if you want to know more, embark on it.

If you want more specifics on say the internet, social media and all the market/social effects there is no shortage of those around now. A lot of the classics are dated and the more recent stuff isn't strictly some leftist perspective other than its influence on organizing people.
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Postby guttertech » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:01 am

I know you're too much of a Postman devotee to be calling him "Richard".
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Postby spsp » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:12 am

I've got to second "Richard" Postman ;)
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Postby dogdicksummer3 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:16 am

Autocorrect for whatever reason. LOL.
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Postby spsp » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:49 pm

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I've never been comfortable calling myself an anarchist. I very much like Bookchin's ideas of reinventing the nation-state into a radical confederated municipality, his infusion of ecology into anarchism is essential... and I appreciate his devotion to democracy as a praxis. Anarchism however has become too egoist, focused on individual autonomy -- rather than the collective.

But I still believe that face-to-face democracy isn't an attractive idea to citizenship as a whole. It's a whole lot of work for people who just aren't very interested politically.

I guess what I'm saying is, I feel much of Bookchin's writing is essential to my politics, and I want to believe in face-to-face democracy... but call me a skeptic.
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Postby dogdicksummer3 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:02 pm

If you're into Bookchin read that Barber article from 1992.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... ld/303882/

His conclusion is that conferation is the only solution between market globalization and the retribalization of thousands of groups.
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Postby immortalrites » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:59 pm

spsp wrote:Anarchism however has become too egoist, focused on individual autonomy -- rather than the collective.


What makes you feel this way? Online Stirner shitposters? I really don't agree with that sentiment at all, I consider myself to be an anarchist and I'm pretty confident most anarchists I know/have interacted with would disagree as well.
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Postby xcolepx » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:18 pm

I find the critique of anarchism tending to be individualistic to hold some merit, tbh. It focuses on individual freedoms as opposed to the people’s freedoms.
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Postby leathercleaner » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:54 pm

"I trace my depression to a cocktail of factors deeply rooted in the way capitalism functions. For a start, it’s clear that my depression is to a great degree caused by the psychic and material experience of ultra-capitalist London. London is a city geared for profit-making, an urban environment rebuilt continually to facilitate the transfer of wealth to the already-wealthy.

Between long workdays in London, working-class people are assigned to small flats in densely-packed tower blocks, privately rented to maximise landlords’ profits. We live haphazardly in these little run-down spaces but can see from our windows the wealth rising through the system, as if it were gold bullion travelling up in the lifts to those top floors in the Shard. Every dream we’re taught to have is expensive, and most of us will never see the kind of money or freedom we’d need to live our ideal lives.

My low mood is underpinned by my financial precariousness, a sense of alienation from others, and the oppression and harassment I face from men in the streets and in relationships. In this system it would almost be odd not to be unhappy sometimes. What sustains us is the capacity to fight for something better – to argue for it, organise for it, to play a small part in the struggle to reach it."

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Postby spsp » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:26 am

immortalrites wrote:
spsp wrote:Anarchism however has become too egoist, focused on individual autonomy -- rather than the collective.


What makes you feel this way? Online Stirner shitposters? I really don't agree with that sentiment at all, I consider myself to be an anarchist and I'm pretty confident most anarchists I know/have interacted with would disagree as well.

The link I have in my other post could probably explain it much better than I could but..

The way anarchism historically looked at democracy is that bourgeois democracy was a tyranny of the many over the view by means of the state institutions. So the solution is to create bottom up assemblies to wrestle power from the state. Well the working class isn't inherently revolutionary especially in a place like America. And imagine reverting back to a stateless America anyway.

So instead, bookchin studies the Athenian polis and becomes fascinated with face to face democracy - rather than a bottom up insurrection. Athens despite it's social issues begins to develop a form of democracy unlike in bourgeoisie society with it's polls and representatives.

Instead of smashing the state, bookchin wants to reprogram the local municipality as a popular structure and inject face to face democracy at the local level. Anarchists at the time said it was statist.
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Postby leathercleaner » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:44 am

Says it all from the get-go:
"When Americans leave their bodies to science, they are also donating to commerce: Cadavers and body parts, especially those of the poor, are sold in a thriving and largely unregulated market. Grisly abuses abound."

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-bodies-brokers/

The libertarian's utopia.
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Postby trentxedge » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:12 pm

refill wrote:Which position do you think Karl Marx would play in football?

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/russe ... l-players/" target="_blank


For real, the IWW has/had professional athletes who were members in the past, some MMA and MLB players mainly, I'd have to look up who exactly.

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Postby xcolepx » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:06 pm

We committed a genocide in DPRK but this sort of shit exists and is fine it’s totally not racist or disgusting

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Postby smorgasgeorge » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:11 pm

What kind of computer do you use?
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Postby xcolepx » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:18 pm

I dont
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Postby smorgasgeorge » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:19 pm

Ok, cell phone.
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Postby xcolepx » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:34 pm

I built my own with rocks and sticks because that’s the only way to be a true leftist
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Postby smorgasgeorge » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:05 pm

Glad someone finally figured it out.
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Postby dogdicksummer3 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:16 pm

I love those comments. Yeah you're not perfect so that's my excuse to do absolutely anything that doesn't benefit me directly. NERD.
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Postby smorgasgeorge » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:21 pm

Good stuff
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Postby dogdicksummer3 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:49 pm

Yeah. Try again.
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Postby smorgasgeorge » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:54 pm

List your accomplishments:
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Postby xcolepx » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:23 pm

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bourgeois? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Soviet Red Army, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on the Imperialists, and I have over 600 confirmed kills. I am trained in People's War, Insurgency, gorilla warfare and Dialectics and I’m the top class warrior in the entire Revolutionary Movement. You are nothing to me but just another class enemy. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that Reactionary Idealist shit to me over the Internet? Think again, Imperialist stooge. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of Communist Party Cells across the world and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the revolution, Reactionary maggot. The revolution that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your precious petty-bourgeois life. You’re fucking dead, kiddo. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my copy of Capital vol. 1. Not only am I extensively trained in class war, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the People's Army and the Secret Police and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable class off the face of the world, you little bourgeois. If only you could have known what unholy proletarian retribution your little “clever” act of class war was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, bourgeois scum. I will shit proletarian fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, petty-bourgeois kid.
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Postby smorgasgeorge » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:27 pm

Yeah. Try again.
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Postby xcolepx » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:06 am

I thought we were just repeating tired ass posts, my bad
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Postby xcolepx » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:17 pm

Haymarket books has 90% off ebooks until midnight tonight https://www.haymarketbooks.org/blogs/52 ... tbooks-org
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Postby fuck lambgoat » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:41 pm

xcolepx wrote:Haymarket books has 90% off ebooks until midnight tonight https://www.haymarketbooks.org/blogs/52 ... tbooks-org

Anyone else having trouble checking out their order?
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Postby xcolepx » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:02 pm

It worked for me, I bought 22 books for $22
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Postby sadgoblins » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:54 pm

Yeah I also couldn't get it to work, I wrote them tho maybe they'll extend it for people who had problems?
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Postby 198d__ » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:31 am

There's momentum right now, folks. We must start joining parties and organizing!
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Postby spsp » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:45 am

I'm in DSA. There are a few local meetings coming up (finally)
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Postby Brahskolnikov » Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:29 am

spsp wrote:I'm in DSA. There are a few local meetings coming up (finally)


I'm in the Boston chapter of the DSA. I've missed the last couple general meetings, but I'm hoping the elections get some good momentum going.
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Postby The Unabomber's Hoodie » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:18 am

The Berlin Wall opened up 28 years ago today. You guys going to be bummed out all day or what?
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Postby spsp » Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:27 am

Brahskolnikov wrote:
spsp wrote:I'm in DSA. There are a few local meetings coming up (finally)


I'm in the Boston chapter of the DSA. I've missed the last couple general meetings, but I'm hoping the elections get some good momentum going.

I think we will continue to see momentum. I can't wait for next year's elections. I know I'm supposed to say elections are all reformist and what not, but I'm very glad to see some of these results. HELLO ENTRYISM.
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Postby spsp » Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:28 am

The Unabomber's Hoodie wrote:The Berlin Wall opened up 28 years ago today. You guys going to be bummed out all day or what?

kill me now
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Postby Frederik » Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:13 pm

The Unabomber's Hoodie wrote:The Berlin Wall opened up 28 years ago today. You guys going to be bummed out all day or what?



There's a legit nostalgia for the DDR in the Former East, so there's probably more than a few people bummed.
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Postby trentxedge » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:48 pm

Frederik wrote:
The Unabomber's Hoodie wrote:The Berlin Wall opened up 28 years ago today. You guys going to be bummed out all day or what?



There's a legit nostalgia for the DDR in the Former East, so there's probably more than a few people bummed.


Best Germany has best anthem

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Postby leathercleaner » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:51 pm

The Unabomber's Hoodie wrote:The Berlin Wall opened up 28 years ago today. You guys going to be bummed out all day or what?

Reagan's little dead dick is stuck in a perpetual rigor mortis to honour this glorious anniversary :usaflag
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Postby fuck lambgoat » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:26 pm

xcolepx wrote:It worked for me, I bought 22 books for $22

Yooo me too!


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Postby spsp » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:50 pm

Goes without saying that I'm not really a fan of TYT but, Yanis Varoufakis' latest interview is real good --

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Postby spsp » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:18 am

I like how quickly that almost turned into the "classic" idpol vs. class struggle fight that always happens online.
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Postby dogdicksummer3 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:57 am

It's bad... but I have to admit that my first thought was "This is how my autistic brother reasons things.: "Yeah drinking soda is bad but at least I'm not doing heroin!""

That was cringe inducing all around.
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Postby Lobsterdog » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:15 am

I can't believe there'd even be a debate about whether BOOKS or TWITTER is a better learning resource and I'm not someone who's sitting down and reading fuckin Capital. Not now and probably not ever. Shit, I can't even get through the Bread Book.
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Postby dogdicksummer3 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:37 am

The internet destroyed peoples ability to read anything. That explains a lot.
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Postby dogdicksummer3 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:07 pm

Cross posting from the reading thread because this book is fascinating.

He's hard to pin down but I've read another 20 pages and he's pretty damn spot on. I'm excited as hell to finish this now.

dogdicksummer3 wrote:Came across a declension narrative from 1996 that I had to put down after 12 pages because it began to scare me. I'm going to finish over the holiday.

Post-Intellectualism and the Decline of Democracy: The Failure of Reason and Responsibility in the Twentieth Century by Donald N. Wood

I included the table of contents because it is pretty wide and deep in scope and touches on all aspects of our world. It's broken up efficiently and would really love to get some other views on it. It's pretty scary that there is virtually no discussion of this book anywhere in print review archive or web.

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