Star Wars Thread v. 2

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Postby jds » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:40 pm

creativexcover wrote:
jds wrote:
creativexcover wrote:
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creativexcover wrote:Seeing it Saturday. I guess I'll be back itt then.

I'm going to the 745 showing at the small theater in the town I live on Thursday.

Found $5.50 tickets at a local place. Not my favorite theater around but I'm pumped. Good price for a weekend 4:10 showing 2 days after the release.


Yeah the theater in town is only $8, Lucas is one of the theaters benefactors. For TFA and R1 that had Original posters from ANH, ESB and ROTJ on display and for sale. Skywalker ranch is like 45 miles from here, not that he's involved in these films in anway, but it's still a cool renovated turn of the century theater.

That rules! I didn't catch TFA the opening days so im excited for this one. I hope someone is decked out in a costume this weekend.


When they did the special edition theatrical release in 97, at the midnight showing I went to, there was a full on han, leia, luke, chewie, stormtroopers and a vader. Not like cosplayers there to help promote it, but just normal people there dressed up and pumped to see the film. How those dudes in trooper armor sat there for so long, I have no idea. since then, I've seen some people in the lobbies dressed up, but never actually in the theaters, except little kids, which always warms my heart, it takes me back to Halloween '79 when I was darth vader.
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Postby Scrowl » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:08 am

Just saw it. FUCK YES!
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Postby dronezilla » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:41 am

it will be so fuckin hard to avoid spoilers until sunday.
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Postby Garrett_B_2 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:42 am

Buddy of mine just texted me and said "we're going thursday at 1030, i have your ticket"
So fucking jazzed. I love Star Wars
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Postby dwh_87 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:17 pm

Less than six hours to go
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Postby dwh_87 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:17 pm

Movie was good even if the humour was a little forced.

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Snoke is dead and nobody knows who he was, where he came from, why he was so powerful. We could ask Luke but he turned to dust after using the force too hard. Rey isn’t a Skywalker or Kenobi or Solo just a nobody. Phasma got punked out like Snoke too. Reddit will go into meltdown.
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Postby 87demo » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:03 am

Movie sucked.
Fuck whoever wrote it. Fuck whoever directed it.
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Postby b andrus » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:45 am

Happy opening day everybody
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Postby creativexcover » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:06 am

And let the spoiler scare begin
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Postby jason. » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:09 pm

Got to go to a private viewing this morning. It was good and exactly what it needed to be. Because of that, A LOT of people are gonna be disappointed.
Knowing how this board is when it comes to movies, brace yourselves for the "it fucking sucked".
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Postby vomitponx » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:21 pm

been hearing it sucked from hardcore star wars fans
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Postby Joey I » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:23 pm

dwh_87 wrote:Movie was good even if the humour was a little forced.

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Snoke is dead and nobody knows who he was, where he came from, why he was so powerful. We could ask Luke but he turned to dust after using the force too hard. Rey isn’t a Skywalker or Kenobi or Solo just a nobody. Phasma got punked out like Snoke too. Reddit will go into meltdown.


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Couldn't you say the same about the Emperor? Nothing too detailed was mentioned about his backstory in the OT. If Rey was a Skywalker/Kenobi/Solo then people would still bitch about how everyone has to be a Skywalker etc etc.
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Postby dwh_87 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:51 pm

Joey I wrote:
dwh_87 wrote:Movie was good even if the humour was a little forced.

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Snoke is dead and nobody knows who he was, where he came from, why he was so powerful. We could ask Luke but he turned to dust after using the force too hard. Rey isn’t a Skywalker or Kenobi or Solo just a nobody. Phasma got punked out like Snoke too. Reddit will go into meltdown.


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Couldn't you say the same about the Emperor? Nothing too detailed was mentioned about his backstory in the OT. If Rey was a Skywalker/Kenobi/Solo then people would still bitch about how everyone has to be a Skywalker etc etc.


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Originally there was little information about Emperor but then the prequeals happened and now we know his whole story.
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Postby creativexcover » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:53 pm

Well shit
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Postby theonefreeman » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:12 pm

dwh_87 wrote:
Joey I wrote:
dwh_87 wrote:Movie was good even if the humour was a little forced.

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Snoke is dead and nobody knows who he was, where he came from, why he was so powerful. We could ask Luke but he turned to dust after using the force too hard. Rey isn’t a Skywalker or Kenobi or Solo just a nobody. Phasma got punked out like Snoke too. Reddit will go into meltdown.


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Couldn't you say the same about the Emperor? Nothing too detailed was mentioned about his backstory in the OT. If Rey was a Skywalker/Kenobi/Solo then people would still bitch about how everyone has to be a Skywalker etc etc.


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Originally there was little information about Emperor but then the prequeals happened and now we know his whole story.[/spoilers]

There's a whole aspect of this stuff which pertains to the books and comics that renders the whole "We didn't know anything about the Emperor either" point moot, but I guess we'll get into that tomorrow once more people are in on the discussion.
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Postby lajoie » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:40 pm

Posting from the theater. So many nerds here
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Postby turd burglar » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:10 pm

initial reactions

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so anticlimactic for luke to pretend sacrifice himself like that only to actually die, so anticlimactic for the biggest character ever

how is snoke so powerful but yet gets killed by a menial jedi mind trick from a noob

i didnt like all those corny creatures going into like foxs and lamas and after watching them i def fuckin the lamas

fuck that aldo hoe she sucks and whats her deal and where did she come from?

whats up with leia flying through space and no explanation for it?? and how is she still alive anyways going into IX?

barely any chewbacca screen time which is never a good thing

idk what to think right now so overwhelmed

i think it was great just really wish they woulda waited for luke to die until the last episode and properly

took a lil too long to get started too
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Postby Sernogath » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:26 pm

it was more disney than star wars. and the funniest star wars film
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Postby turd burglar » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:35 pm

almost forgot my favorite part of the movie becuz im still freaking out

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FUCKING YODA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ABSOLUTELY FUCKING CRUSHED THAT I WAS LITERALLY ALMOST IN TEARS AT THE "FAILURE THE GREATEST TEACHER IT IS'
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Postby nerd eater » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:55 pm

All the people that clap in the theaters can get fuuuuuuuuuucked.
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Postby turd burglar » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:56 pm

What do you expect on opening day dude
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Postby nerd eater » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:58 pm

There was a half second where it didn't seem like it was going to happen. I dunno. I liked it, but it was also messy.
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Postby heinous » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:56 pm

turd burglar wrote:almost forgot my favorite part of the movie becuz im still freaking out

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FUCKING YODA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ABSOLUTELY FUCKING CRUSHED THAT I WAS LITERALLY ALMOST IN TEARS AT THE "FAILURE THE GREATEST TEACHER IT IS'

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when he first appeared he looked terrible, the absolute worst cgi in the movie, but after caused the fire, he was looking fine
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Postby spsp » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:05 pm

I saw the movie AMA
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Postby spsp » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:05 pm

nerd eater wrote:All the people that clap in the theaters can get fuuuuuuuuuucked.

SO LAME
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Postby spsp » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:06 pm

Movie was cool for what it was, but I think I'm so conditioned to have low as shit expectations for movies these days so w/e
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Postby vomitponx » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:20 pm

these posts making me less excited to see it i thought tfa was entertaining but added nothing to lucas' universe
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Postby spsp » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:29 pm

Don't worry about what I say I'm a picky asshole go enjoy the movie
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Postby heinous » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:29 pm

vomitponx wrote:these posts making me less excited to see it i thought tfa was entertaining but added nothing to lucas' universe

I'm not a fan boy about star wars and I really liked the movie, I think it's better than 7
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Postby mattm » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:50 pm

jds wrote:
When they did the special edition theatrical release in 97, at the midnight showing I went to, there was a full on han, leia, luke, chewie, stormtroopers and a vader. Not like cosplayers there to help promote it, but just normal people there dressed up and pumped to see the film. How those dudes in trooper armor sat there for so long, I have no idea. since then, I've seen some people in the lobbies dressed up, but never actually in the theaters, except little kids, which always warms my heart, it takes me back to Halloween '79 when I was darth vader.


I went to the midnight opening of one of the prequels (2 or 3, can't remember which) and there was a dude in a vader costume and another in jedi robes fighting with toy lightsabers at the front of the theatre before the screening started, while people in the crowd applauded. That kinda shit doesn't seem to happen anymore, at least around here.
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Postby alchemist » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:08 am

Just got home from the theater. Some unfiltered first impressions:

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Okay Star Wars by definition is awesome and moving and this was no different. That said there was plenty of good and bad and questionable in this movie. I'll need to watch it a few more times before I know how I really feel about it.

The thing I was most hyped on going in was seeing Master Luke again. Even though Hamill was good it just didn't feel like the film really delivered on Luke's return like they could have or at least how I wanted. The kid in me really wanted to see Luke fuck up some First Order or some Knights of Ren, but I get that he's kind of transcended the need for violence almost in an OT Yoda way. It made sense but I felt denied.

Seeing Yoda was awesome but I agree the CG looked really bad at first. What was up with that? It looked okay after that. I guess it was kinda fan servicey but the encounter felt necessary to move Luke when Rey couldn't. I really enjoyed the scene with Rey and her doubles in the cave, which was very "Hero's Journey."

Finn and Rose had some good moments and I really thought he was going to die in the speeder at the end. Something about their whole plotline though felt kind of lacking to me. The casino and their escape felt a little bit tacked on but from a world building standpoint that location and the whole idea of the arms dealers was kinda cool to see.

The showdown between Luke and Kylo Ren looked fucking amazing. The wide shots of them squaring off might be some of the best screencaps in the whole series. I liked the shots of the shifting feet giving it that samurai swordfight feel. They built so much tension in those moments but again I felt disappointed that Luke didn't want to throw down. I was fully prepared for Luke to fight and die, as much as it would have sucked for him to die to Kylo. With the Finn death tease it felt like we were due for a blood sacrifice like Han Solo in TFA. I agree that teasing Luke's sacrifice only to have him become a force ghost a scene later was pretty anticlimactic. It's fitting for Luke to eventually force ghost himself but maybe that moment was premature with another movie to go. Idk. I guess there had to be a Last Jedi and that's Rey.


TL;DR
Overall it was fun, exciting, moving, all the sort of stuff I expect from Star Wars. There were also things that it didn't deliver on as well as I had hoped. I'm sure I'll go see it several more times so I may feel differently.
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Postby Yosupbro » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:22 am

Some very cool moments but that movie was so unbelievably corny
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Postby Killedbyschool » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:48 am

Holy fuck I hate this thread as usual. It was fucking amazing. And I really didn't like TFA. Loved loved loved it. Nothing corny about it. Fuck you.
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Postby Killedbyschool » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:01 am

heinous wrote:
turd burglar wrote:almost forgot my favorite part of the movie becuz im still freaking out

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FUCKING YODA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ABSOLUTELY FUCKING CRUSHED THAT I WAS LITERALLY ALMOST IN TEARS AT THE "FAILURE THE GREATEST TEACHER IT IS'

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when he first appeared he looked terrible, the absolute worst cgi in the movie, but after caused the fire, he was looking fine


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It was a puppet.
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Postby ChangexofxIdeas » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:34 am

alchemist wrote:Just got home from the theater. Some unfiltered first impressions:

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Okay Star Wars by definition is awesome and moving and this was no different. That said there was plenty of good and bad and questionable in this movie. I'll need to watch it a few more times before I know how I really feel about it.

The thing I was most hyped on going in was seeing Master Luke again. Even though Hamill was good it just didn't feel like the film really delivered on Luke's return like they could have or at least how I wanted. The kid in me really wanted to see Luke fuck up some First Order or some Knights of Ren, but I get that he's kind of transcended the need for violence almost in an OT Yoda way. It made sense but I felt denied.

Seeing Yoda was awesome but I agree the CG looked really bad at first. What was up with that? It looked okay after that.
I guess it was kinda fan servicey but the encounter felt necessary to move Luke when Rey couldn't. I really enjoyed the scene with Rey and her doubles in the cave, which was very "Hero's Journey."

Finn and Rose had some good moments and I really thought he was going to die in the speeder at the end. Something about their whole plotline though felt kind of lacking to me. The casino and their escape felt a little bit tacked on but from a world building standpoint that location and the whole idea of the arms dealers was kinda cool to see.

The showdown between Luke and Kylo Ren looked fucking amazing. The wide shots of them squaring off might be some of the best screencaps in the whole series. I liked the shots of the shifting feet giving it that samurai swordfight feel. They built so much tension in those moments but again I felt disappointed that Luke didn't want to throw down. I was fully prepared for Luke to fight and die, as much as it would have sucked for him to die to Kylo. With the Finn death tease it felt like we were due for a blood sacrifice like Han Solo in TFA. I agree that teasing Luke's sacrifice only to have him become a force ghost a scene later was pretty anticlimactic. It's fitting for Luke to eventually force ghost himself but maybe that moment was premature with another movie to go. Idk. I guess there had to be a Last Jedi and that's Rey.


TL;DR
Overall it was fun, exciting, moving, all the sort of stuff I expect from Star Wars. There were also things that it didn't deliver on as well as I had hoped. I'm sure I'll go see it several more times so I may feel differently.



I agree with a lot of this. I liked a lot of it and didn't like a lot of it. 20 minutes in I was genuinely terrified I was going to hate it. The issues with tone kind of start to even out after that point, but other parts of the pacing and the flashbacks made it feel disjointed. Between all the issues that bothered me there was still a lot that I loved. I think the good really outweighed the bad, but I just wasn't blown away the same as I was for the TFA or Rogue One.

For people who REALLY like Marvel movies this will probably be their favorite SW movie.

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Good:
The nostalgia punched me right through the heart.
I loved everything* involving Luke, from his daily routine, to his reluctance, to his failing, to his wonderful explanation of the force, his reunion with Yoda, his final confrontation with Ben and his transcending into the force. I get that people feel it was anticlimactic, but he denied Kylo the chance to strike him down (robbing him of emulating Vader), and it's not like he's not going to be a force ghost in this next movie.
I loved Yoda classically breaking Luke's balls and that the cgi model was based on the OT puppets (edit: it WAS a puppet).
I really enjoyed the Finn/Rose dynamic.
All the lightsaber dueling (and Finn/Phasma duel )was top notch, and we final got to see guards actually DO something.
Just the right amount of porgs to leave you wanting more (also felt like a nice little nod to the gizka infestations in KOTOR)


Bad:

The early dialogue and making Hux a bumbling buffoon. If the execs ate this up but had serious issues with tone on the Han Solo movie they must have been making a goddamned 3 stooges in space.
*While I loved almost all of Luke's parts, him chucking his lightsaber was such a cheap gag that undermines all the gravity of that great final scene in TFA.
The dialogue and tone when Rey and Ben connect through the force was really awkward.
A lot of Canto Bight stuff reminded me of the prequels, was ready for one of those kids to yell "now this is llama racing"
I just couldn't connect to or care about Laura Dern's character.
The last and final thing was a really huge one for me, and is pretty SW specific. The entire plot of the "fleet" being chased but surviving by staying just out of range at sublight speeds doesn't hold up under SW's own internal logic. It's a unique problem, but this is a franchise that is so well developed that its a glaring problem.
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Postby ChangexofxIdeas » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:47 am

But for real where can I get a BB-8 coin shooter for Christmas?
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Postby Killedbyschool » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:59 am

For me, what makes this one so good was the balance of old and new. It had enough nostalgia inducing moments to invoke the other movies and enough new and different elements that it didn't feel like such a rehash like TFA. This movie felt really bold. Poe felt like a real character, Rei and Kylo felt like REAL characters. It was just so good in so many ways. The humor, absent the opening scene, felt natural and good throughout. I can't wait to see it again.
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Postby heinous » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:07 am

Killedbyschool wrote:
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turd burglar wrote:almost forgot my favorite part of the movie becuz im still freaking out

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FUCKING YODA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ABSOLUTELY FUCKING CRUSHED THAT I WAS LITERALLY ALMOST IN TEARS AT THE "FAILURE THE GREATEST TEACHER IT IS'

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when he first appeared he looked terrible, the absolute worst cgi in the movie, but after caused the fire, he was looking fine


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It was a puppet.

I figured so, maybe the glow around him made it look worse? Idk, but it was bad for the first 90 seconds or so
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Postby final_justice » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:57 am

Damn I don't know whether to keep my expectations super low or be super stoked because of this thread. Star Wars is pretty much the only other blockbuster franchise I get legit excited for besides MCU stuff.
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Postby creativexcover » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:01 am

Fuck this thread I hope it's good
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Postby lajoie » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:08 am

Can some star wars nerd explain this to me from the movie?

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Rey says Luke has 'disconnected' from the force. But he is a caretaker on the island. I get that he is a Jedi master...but:

I found the end scene, where he is meditating and is a hologram really hard to wrap my head around. Has that been seen elsewhere in the Universe? I get that Jedi can communicate as spirits later, but did Luke already kill himself back at the island and then appear as a hologram to help the rebels? I just don't get how he was deep in meditation, shows up to fight, then just immediately floats/ dies away back at the island. I guess Rey won't be receiving her training.

I also did not like Leia being blown into space and then 'wills' herself back to the ship.
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Postby alchemist » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:34 am

lajoie wrote:Can some star wars nerd explain this to me from the movie?

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Rey says Luke has 'disconnected' from the force. But he is a caretaker on the island. I get that he is a Jedi master...but:

I found the end scene, where he is meditating and is a hologram really hard to wrap my head around. Has that been seen elsewhere in the Universe? I get that Jedi can communicate as spirits later, but did Luke already kill himself back at the island and then appear as a hologram to help the rebels? I just don't get how he was deep in meditation, shows up to fight, then just immediately floats/ dies away back at the island. I guess Rey won't be receiving her training.

I also did not like Leia being blown into space and then 'wills' herself back to the ship.


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He wasn't a force ghost yet, he was meditating and using the force to project a double of himself to stall Kylo while the rest of the Resistance escaped. It's never been done in the main series before, but in the old extended universe stuff there were a few instances of super powerful jedi being able to project themselves like that.

Even though I wanted to see Luke fight it out, I can buy the idea that he's basically god-tier jedi now and he's transcended the need for violence almost in a Yoda type of way. I think it was a good way to demonstrate his power and let him save the day without putting him in a fight that he didn't want to have.
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Postby turd burglar » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:46 am

After digesting last night I love it, the future to come is so wide open and unlimited possibilities now that any "nobody" can become force sensitive, def setting up things to come for the new trilogy

The movie was so deep, i loved that it kept you thinking and guessing but was always one step ahead of the viewer, the dynamics were always changing and that makes a riveting exciting movie

Im at peace with rey being a nobody as well, its makes for such a deeper narrative

Main gripes still:

Why tf did they not wait til episode IX to kill off luke
Fuck llamas
Fuck aldo she took away screen time from people we actually are invested in,complete filler hate her
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Postby alchemist » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:56 am

You should spoiler some of that. That one line you have under "main gripes" is going to piss off a lot of people in this thread who haven't seen it yet.

One badass moment I forgot about:

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Even though Laura Dern's character didn't really do much for me, her destruction of the star destroyer looked fucking incredible on screen. That tension building up into the sudden cut to silent black and white shots of the destroyer ripped in half. My jaw dropped in the theater. It was amazing and fucking beautiful on screen.
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Postby nerd eater » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:01 am

alchemist wrote:You should spoiler some of that. That one line you have under "main gripes" is going to piss off a lot of people in this thread who haven't seen it yet.

One badass moment I forgot about:

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Even though Laura Dern's character didn't really do much for me, her destruction of the star destroyer looked fucking incredible on screen. That tension building up into the sudden cut to silent black and white shots of the destroyer ripped in half. My jaw dropped in the theater. It was a amazing and fucking beautiful on screen.

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I think this movie had a lot of great visuals in it, and that gambit at the end was straight out of an anime.
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Postby theonefreeman » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:13 am

Here are my thoughts:

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The Last Jedi is a great film made weaker when you really start to contemplate its place in the film saga and the Star Wars universe at whole. There are moments of brilliance throughout, but then there are scenes or exchanges that make you scratch your head. I think it's safe to say that Rian Johnson has created the most polarizing Star Wars movie yet.

As someone who tries to digest as much Star Wars media as possible, I can't be happy with some of the decisions made. Let's start with Snoke. Yes, everyone loves to say that we didn't know anything about the Emperor or virtually any other Star Wars villain for that matter. They just came out of nowhere and that was good enough. The books were really grooming him to be something important though. References to the Unknown Regions have been made constantly and Palpatine knew that something or someone ridiculously strong in the dark side was out there, which is why he essentially handed over the remnant that would become the First Order to this person. Snoke's very existence was making Palpatine nervous. That should say something. And somehow, despite being so far removed from the Galactic Civil War, Snoke has a vendetta against the Republic and the Jedi. Those few points raise a lot of questions and I can't bring myself to really care now that he has been used as a plot device. Don't get me wrong, I see the merit in why he died. Ben does what Vader could never do and that has significance. The death of a big bad that they were building up to be important in the middle of the trilogy just doesn't satisfy what they were doing with the character though.

Speaking of not satisfying certain story elements, Rey being a random person isn't something I was expecting. I was all-in on her being the offspring of Luke from the moment I left the theater after seeing TFA. She grew up on a desert planet like the Skywalkers before her, the family lightsaber calls out to her, she can't remember her parents and the Force seems to hit her out of nowhere which suggests that some sort of memory repression is in play, etc. It seemed to be the logical choice. If she's truly nobody, then we have a random person at the forefront of a story that is supposed to be about the Skywalkers while the only person of the Skywalker bloodline left in the galaxy is on a path beyond redemption. I get it. The Star Wars universe is bigger than Skywalkers. Time came through before them and it will continue once they're gone, but the episodic titles are supposed to be about them and having their story end on a down note will bum a lot of people out. I definitely think Ben could have been lying about her parentage to her, but who knows.

And now Luke. It's clear why Mark has been voicing what could be as close to his disappointment and hesitance as he's allowed about where they took his character in interviews lately. He knew that after thirty years, people were not going to like this take on the character. I really do feel that they did the character a disservice by having him go out the way that he did. This trilogy was always supposed to be a handing off of the torch to a new generation, but is the only way that they know how to do that through killing off the original characters? If the only way these characters can be advanced is by ending the stories of those who are established, then maybe they aren't good characters. I don't know. The story easily could have ended without Luke passing on and it would have satisfied expectations. He does some crazy shit with the Force that you would come to expect from Master Luke, who was doing stuff like piloting the Millenium Falcon only using the Force in the Expanded Universe, and minds are blown. But now we're only going to see him as a ghost from now on. This part is mainly just me bitching. Shit makes me emotional.

Random thoughts:
Porgs were cool. Don't think they were overused.

The whole scene with Leia surviving the attack should have been much more subtle. As it is, it's goofy and Superman-ish.

Driver is great. It's a relief having a villain who can express anger believably and I like the idea of Kylo being Supreme Leader now.

Take out the Canto Bight storyline and the movie loses absolutely nothing. It was a way to pass time and give Finn something to do.

The Praetorian Guard scene was next-level when it comes to saber fights in this saga.

Johnson really beats you over the head with the humor at parts. Luke tossing the lightsaber was borderline tonedeaf.

Is it just me or has the way that everyone uses the Force in the sequel trilogy been turned up to like twelve? From Rey's untrained proficiency to extracting information and whatnot, it doesn't line up with what we've seen before. That's a problem with both movies so far. I will give it to them that they've made lightsaber choreography much more believable.

I don't know where they go from here now. Luke is dead. Leia has to be written off. It's all new characters now. I'm curious whether or not we'll see a time jump for the next movie.

I guess the last point I'll make is that letting each director decide where they want to go with their movie is leading to less cohesive storytelling. Abrams did what he wanted with his movie. Johnson did what he wanted with his. Now Abrams has to come back and somehow wrap it all up in a way that makes sense. There should have been an outline written from the start charting where the story and characters would go, but it's very on-the-fly and it's diminishing the books as well. Pablo Hidalgo, head of the Story Group, just came out and basically said that the directors are not bound to what the group says. Why should anyone read the books then when we are getting build-up with no pay-off? Especially when we were told that there would be connectedness and consistency across all media forms. Anyways, this all makes it sound like I hated the movie. I didn't. My expectations were just too high.
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Postby alchemist » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:38 am

theonefreeman wrote:The Praetorian Guard scene was next-level


This, absolutely. That scene was gorgeous on screen and that was probably one of the best choreographed fights of the entire series. Definitely a high point of this movie.
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Postby nerd eater » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:45 am

alchemist wrote:
theonefreeman wrote:The Praetorian Guard scene was next-level


This, absolutely. That scene was gorgeous on screen and that was probably one of the best choreographed fights of the entire series. Definitely a high point of this movie.

Yo, totally
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Postby jaredfromsubway » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:50 am

Review from my friend who is a hardcore Star Wars nerd:

"The Last Jedi is a huge mess of nonsense. Too many characters, too many plot lines, the movie comes to a full stop and turns into looney tunes, new characters that do nothing, nonstop action that makes no sense... ugh. Nonsense.

Star Wars has become Marvel - a new movie every year which only exists to hint at things that may or may not get answered sometime in the future, with actions that have next to no consequences. Characters don’t grow, things don’t matter, rinse and repeat.

Shame."
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Postby lajoie » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:20 am

alchemist wrote:
lajoie wrote:Can some star wars nerd explain this to me from the movie?

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Rey says Luke has 'disconnected' from the force. But he is a caretaker on the island. I get that he is a Jedi master...but:

I found the end scene, where he is meditating and is a hologram really hard to wrap my head around. Has that been seen elsewhere in the Universe? I get that Jedi can communicate as spirits later, but did Luke already kill himself back at the island and then appear as a hologram to help the rebels? I just don't get how he was deep in meditation, shows up to fight, then just immediately floats/ dies away back at the island. I guess Rey won't be receiving her training.

I also did not like Leia being blown into space and then 'wills' herself back to the ship.


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He wasn't a force ghost yet, he was meditating and using the force to project a double of himself to stall Kylo while the rest of the Resistance escaped. It's never been done in the main series before, but in the old extended universe stuff there were a few instances of super powerful jedi being able to project themselves like that.

Even though I wanted to see Luke fight it out, I can buy the idea that he's basically god-tier jedi now and he's transcended the need for violence almost in a Yoda type of way. I think it was a good way to demonstrate his power and let him save the day without putting him in a fight that he didn't want to have.


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ok, thank you, but why did he die and just float away? It felt like so much effort to have that battle sequence from afar and then him just floating off. The whole line of "see you around" is so corny but implies that he is around and then he just goes away.




And another question for you all:
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Is Rey a Grey Jedi? I knew that people were guessing that Luke is a Grey, but he is not. But the whole going into the dark side/ into the hole implies that Rey can transcend light and dark.

Also, I think Ren was lying to Rey about her parent's being 'no body'...maybe the force decided on a chosen one, but I'm glad that Luke is not her father.
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